SAND Technology Inc. (SNDT)
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Robert Thompson, Vice President, Marketing
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SAND™ Technology facilitates outside-the-box thinking by giving managers unrestricted access to all of their business data

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SAND Technology Inc.

215 Redfern, Suite 410
Westmount, QC, H323
Phone: 514-939-3477

Robert Thompson
Vice President, Marketing

Interview conducted by:
Lynn Fosse
Senior Editor
January 2004

Bio of CMO:
Robert Thompson has been Vice President, Marketing for SAND Technology Inc. since mid-2002.   Prior to joining SAND Mr. Thompson was CEO of the AMEX-traded   analytic database supplier QueryObject Systems Corporation, and of, an Internet application service provider targeting the retail industry.  Mr. Thompson entered the enterprise software field in 1989 when he joined Cognos Corp.  During his tenure with Cognos he held a number of key marketing positions in Canada, USA and Europe.   Previously he was principal in an Advertising Agency and a Film and Television production company, and holds a Bachelors degree in Radio & Television Arts from Ryerson University in Toronto.

Company Profile:
SAND Technology Inc. (NASDAQ: SNDT) empowers organizations worldwide with a better understanding of their business through a better understanding of their business data. SAND Analytic Server-based solutions include CRM analytics, web analytics, and other specialized "Business Intelligence" applications for government and security, healthcare, retail, finance, transportation, telecommunication, manufacturing, and insurance.

Flagship product: SAND Analytic Server
An optimized platform for high-performance analytic applications, the SAND Analytic Server integrates virtually unlimited volumes of data from a variety of sources - data warehouses, operational systems, and legacy or third-party databases - in a fully-indexed analytical repository that can be rapidly deployed and quickly and easily accessed by business users. It boosts the performance of existing Business Intelligence architectures while reducing the need for involvement of specialist data management staff.  The SAND Analytic Server is highly scalable to accommodate growth, fast and simple to update to accommodate business change, and fully supports 24x365 operations - delivering on the promise of analytics @ the speed of business™ by immediately showing tangible business benefits and high overall return on investment.

CEOCFOinterviews: Mr. Thompson, what sets SAND Technology apart in your industry?

Mr. Thompson: “SAND Technology is in the general area of business intelligence software.  While most business intelligence vendors have focused on allowing managers to view and manipulate data on their desktops, they haven't addressed the key underlying problem, which is about making the data available to managers in the first place. That is SAND technology’s focus. We deliver the data to the decision makers, so that the business intelligence tools they have purchased can be put to optimum use.”

CEOCFOinterviews: How do you do that?

Mr. Thompson: “SAND Technology makes a specialized product that we call the SAND Analytic Server.  This is a platform that is optimized for hosting business intelligence and analytic applications. Traditionally, people work with business intelligence tools using relationally-based data. Relational databases were something that came to market in the eighties and nineties specifically for transaction-class applications, and they do a great job in this area. But to run analytic applications, you need to do a lot of work to repurpose the data structure and build specialized schemas and indexes, and this requires a lot of manpower. SAND’s product is designed exclusively for analytics, so as a purpose-built analytic solution, it negates all those requirements, and delivers productivity faster and cheaper.”

CEOCFOinterviews: Please give us an example of what your platform would do.

Mr. Thompson: “In a normal situation, using a relational data warehouse for example, the people building the application have to know in advance what questions managers are going to ask, because they have to specifically prestructure the data in order to answer those questions efficiently. The problem is that typically the business is so fast-moving and eclectic that often you don’t know in advance what you are looking for.  You certainly know some standard questions, but there are always other things that come up that you will need to explore. Traditional systems just can’t handle spontaneous questions without  a lot of expensive and time-consuming intervention by IT staff.  In SAND’s case, we can take the data from the same sources, integrate it while loading it into a SAND Analytic Server, and managers can start asking questions immediately. They can ask any question of any data that is loaded, and they have the ability to go anywhere in the data in search of “business intelligence”. Many people think of business intelligence in terms of managers looking at “cubes” of data, which are predefined data subsets they have been given to work with. The problem with this approach is that it presupposes that the answer is in the subset. Our SAND Analytic Server can allow people to think “outside-the-cube” because we don’t put those restrictions on them; we give them unrestricted access to all their business data.”

CEOCFOinterviews: What are you actually selling your clients and what is your business model?

Mr. Thompson: “Our normal business model is typical for a software company: we sell licensed software, which is priced based on the kind of machine the customer is running on and the size of the application they are running. In addition, we support and upgrade those products, so we have an ongoing maintenance and upgrade revenue stream off of the back of each product sale.”

CEOCFOinterviews: Do you have particular industries of focus?

Mr. Thompson: “The problem that we address, which is the need for self-serve access to complex data in large volumes, is something that is going to be an issue for all industries over time. But there are some key industries where this is already a major business issue: typically these are industries that have astronomical amounts of data that is acquired rapidly and changes often. There are telecommunications companies that want to be able to track and understand telephone calls or complex customer behavior, or financial services companies with large volumes of transaction data to analyze. Within healthcare, we are seeing a push for secure and private patient records that are still easily accessible by approved caregivers. We have been involved with governments, particularly in the criminal justice area, building applications that allow investigators to look at a lot of data from a number of sources and quickly match pieces of data to answer their questions. Retailers in the grocery sector using customer loyalty cards want market-basket-level analysis to understand what their customers are buying, right down to the individual item. In each case there is a lot of data that is hard for them to get their hands on, but which is critical to their competitive success.  Those are the markets that SAND addresses very well.”

CEOCFOinterviews: Do you have an out-of-the-box product or do you customize your applications?

Mr. Thompson: “Our product is a piece of application infrastructure, so it is an out-of-the-box product, but the SAND Analytic Server does enable a certain level of customized implementation. Think of it as a special kind of repository which you fill up with the customer’s own data. Everybody’s business is different; so the way they want to look at the data and the questions they are asking are different. So applications can be customized for each business. SAND works heavily with the systems integration community – in fact one of our best channels to market is through systems integrators such as Accenture.”

CEOCFOinterviews: You have recently changed your business model; please tell us what has happened there.

Mr. Thompson: “As an early-stage company, you have a responsibility to develop your own reference sites. You can’t expect a third party to do that early selling; you have to prove the efficacy of the technology. For the last few years, we have been doing that. As part of that process, we developed our own systems integration division. But as we wanted to go to market with other established systems integrators, there was a conflict of interest in terms of having our own shop in place.

Last year we made a decision to sell that systems integration division and focus on our core competency in product development.  It was a good transaction for us.  It lowered our overall operating costs significantly, created a nice pool of operating capital, allowed us to become very focused on product sales, and allowed us to pursue relationships with other established systems integrators without conflict.  At the same time, we maintain a business relationship with our former colleagues, and they are still selling applications based on our products. We will retain a revenue stream from them into the future, and benefit from the references from all the customers they have acquired to date as well as the good customers that they will bring in the future.

So our business today is focused around building the core products that are part of the SAND Analytic Server suite, taking them to market primarily through systems integrators  and other solution provider channels.”

CEOCFOinterviews: Does the end-customer know that he needs a product like yours, making it a matter simply of finding the right product in your category?

Mr. Thompson: “They know they are dissatisfied with the performance of their current environment, and its inability to allow their decision makers to make quick, spontaneous but fact-based business decisions, so they absolutely understand the problems. The bigger the company and the more data involved, the more exacerbated this problem becomes. We have a technology and methodology that is unique to the market, so we do run into people who know they have a problem but don’t realize that a solution exists. Our primary marketing objective is identifying people who are experiencing the kinds of issues we deal with and letting them know that we have the solution.”

CEOCFOinterviews: Is this what you are doing through your partners or are you out there identifying potential customers as well?

Mr. Thompson: “We have sales resources of our own as well; with a partner channel, you have a responsibility to do some business development in conjunction with your partners. A strategic systems integrator’s business is introducing their clients to innovative solutions, so if we can bring them into the initial situations, that is a good way for us to educate them about out products and speed up the process of getting them to introduce those products on their own.  After they become "converts", we benefit from the association and their established reputation, as well as their extended market reach.

In terms of the specialized markets like telecommunications or healthcare, we tend to partner with specialist solution providers that have established market reputations for excellence. I will use healthcare as an example: we have a very good partner called Park City Solutions, Inc. that is an established vendor in the healthcare market, and we are primarily going to market as a component of their overall solutions rather than developing our own healthcare-oriented sales force.”

CEOCFOinterviews: Return on investment has been a big factor for many companies in the downturn, which hopefully is now an ongoing upturn – is that important for SAND?

Mr. Thompson: “Because we are purpose-built for analytics, we offer not only high ROI to users, but very early payback.  Typically, where other products will start to pay off in years, we offer tangible business benefits within weeks.  That’s a big selling factor.”

CEOCFOinterviews: What would you say is your largest competition?

Mr. Thompson: “Our greatest competition is the fact that there is a very entrenched way of doing things, and we represent a new way of doing things.  So we compete with the status quo. People have spent their careers learning the traditional approach, and they believe they know where the limits are. When we come in and say we can remove those limits, that is the biggest obstacle because people are bound by their traditional way of doing things.   The good news is that emerging vendors in this space with innovative technologies such as ours are starting to acquire some visibility in the industry.  For example, analysts like META Group or Gartner are now watching companies like SAND Technology.”

CEOCFOinterviews: How do you convince the people that are entrenched in the old way of doing things to make a change?

Mr. Thompson: “One way we are dealing with the “status quo” competition is by leveraging the Fortune 500 customers that we already have. Every business wants to be innovative, but what they really want is to be “first to be second”, and we are lucky to have a strong group of reference customers who are the leaders that others can follow. We can go into a company in any one of our key industries, reference a potential customer’s competitor and say "this is what we’ve done for them", at which point they are usually pretty keen to try our solution

The second element is to show them what is really possible. Therefore our sales strategy is to propose a trial or a “proof of concept”. The way we do this is to say to a C-level executive: “Tell me the question you cannot currently answer”. Then, when we show them how easy it is to obtain the answer, they understand the power inherent in what we are providing.”

CEOCFOinterviews: Please tell us about your business outside of North America and how it compares?

Mr. Thompson: “The company is headquartered in Montreal, Canada, but we sell on a worldwide basis. As well as staff across the US, we have a distributor in the Pacific Rim, and offices in Germany and the UK.  Historically sales outside North America have been generating a larger percentage of revenue than those in North America.”

CEOCFOinterviews: Is there work yet to be done with research and development?

Mr. Thompson: “I have been in the software industry a number of years and have never seen a product that was completely “finished”. Innovation never stops, but we are currently at Version Three of our core analytic server.  In software, Version One is typically a “proof” statement and Version Two usually adds the things you couldn’t get into Version One. With Version Three, you often do some extensive reengineering based on market experience, so this is always a big release for companies. We completed that last year, so we are very mature in terms of the underlying technology.  But there are always changes in market conditions that you need to accommodate, so we have a very active R & D team; in fact, more than half of the company's employees work  in research, product development, or some other engineering-related function.”

CEOCFOinterviews: What is the financial condition of the company?

Mr. Thompson: “The enterprise software market has suffered over the last few years. Sales for the best companies have been relatively flat, and many companies have struggled. We have been very fortunate over this period to have been able to grow revenue significantly on a year-over-year basis, which means that bit by bit we are growing our market share.   In a business intelligence software market that analysts estimate grew about 15% last year, we grew about 128%, so we are growing significantly faster than our market.   The company closed the last fiscal year – 2003 – with a significant upturn in revenue. Investors should review the recent SEC filings for details, but the company is well financed, there is a reasonable amount of cash on hand to carry the company forward, and although I don’t want to be too forward-looking at this point, the company can see the road ahead to sustained profitability.”

CEOCFOinterviews: SAND recently announced a share repurchase program. Will you tell us about that?

Mr. Thompson: “We had a share repurchase program that lapsed some months ago, so we reintroduced one to keep our options open in this area.

CEOCFOinterviews: Will you tell us about out your growth pattern going forward?

Mr. Thompson: “The company has announced that, because of the sale of the subsidiary, our revenue overall will be lower this year than last year. We have suggested it will be in the area of forty to sixty percent of  last year’s number, with a commensurate lower cost base. We expect to see continued profitability if we can come through towards the upper end of that range. Once we have this period of sales model transition behind us, and have completed the recruitment of new partners, the company expects to continue year-over-year growth, and to be operating with the kind of margin that you normally associate with a maturing software products company.

The market that we are in, business intelligence software, is predicted to be a growth market, and we are committed to be a major player in that market. We see no limits to what the company can do – it just needs to execute on its plans and it needs the time to do that.”

CEOCFOinterviews: In closing, why should investors be interested and what should they know about SAND Technology?

Mr. Thompson: “A potential investor should be interested in this company if they fundamentally believe that we are moving from an industrial-based economy to an information-based economy. I am not talking about the kind of information-age thinking that drove the Internet bubble, but a real understanding of the power of information and its value to organizations.  If they understand this fundamental business model change, they will realize that our premise of “delivering the data to the decision maker” will be an important part of business infrastructures going forward. Up to the end of the last century, the software industry  was really driven by organizations counting on their transaction systems to make them more efficient. This was finally capped by all the ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning) systems that were sold around Y2K to help people  “do business better”. Now that "doing business better" has yielded its benefits, how are organizations going to move on to the next wave of productivity growth? The answer is going to be by “doing business smarter”. SAND Technology delivers the information that managers need to do business smarter.

As a company SAND Technology represents a real value opportunity to investors. We are in the right place at the right time.  We are satisfying a critical business need.  We have fully productized a significant amount of patented R&D. And we are in the process of building the significant business relationships that will allow us to capitalize on this opportunity.  If you believe in the value of the underlying business promise, you will see the value in the company.”

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